I just saw this post today and I would be interested in giving this comparison review a shot. Since I'm from Quebec, I could do the review in french if you're still looking for testers in that language. I already own a PWTS with the UE FW. I mostly do my racing on a 360 and PS3 and could also arrange to test on a PC if necessary.

Hello!
I live in Budapest, Hungary and i own a G25, soon to be replaced under warranty for a G27.
I also got a GT3RS V1 that i won recently in my local leagure.

I think you listed all the possible points to score, it's the weighting that matters most, and that i belive is down to the individual..for some noise is over every possible features. The wheel is useless if i can't run it all night long :) For others it might be something else..for instance i am into the most possible road/grip information coming from the FF.

Best regards,
Attila

Hi Thomas,im Nasos from Greece,27 years old and have PC using iRacing,LFS,netKarPro,Dirt 2 etc and Xbox360 Forza 2 and 3 (no PS3).Id like to take part in this.Im a member in the biggest greek sim racing community gvrteam.gr.I own a G25 with the Pastore load cell brake and the Leo box.

I already consider buying the v2 wheel with the peddals so that would make my decision easier.

The rating scale looks good, it covers all important aspects of the wheels and peedals and weighted perfectly.

For the rating maybe make each catagory out of 10 so the total would then the total would be out of 1000. That would give the testers the option to rate each catagory from 0-10.

You probably get as many views on how to weight as there are people posting. My priorities are on feel, functionality and quality after they passed through my list of minimum set of requirements. The reviewer should have to clearly point out what the most important aspects on a wheel/pedals are to him to motivate the score.

For a product comparison I think it would help to apply scoring to each subgroup. A scoring down to at least the second level, probably even to the lowest level, will give you more control of the weight and steer the comparison to focus on what you consider important to select a winner. Some may otherwise focus more heavily on one category that may not be that important to you as you originally intended.

Personally I prefer a rating from 0-10 for each category and then afterward applying the weight on that score. That would give the reviewer a constant grade to choose from on every category and a greater flexibility for you to set the weight right. If you are curious on what we rank as important let each reviewer pick his own weight scale as long as they add up to the same sum.

However, in the end a weighted rating system with many categories can give the reviewer a highest scoring wheel that he would actually not select as the winner. So, in the end of the review you should have the reviewer also pick the right wheel for him.

A thought: Is the final weighted sum really interesting?

Enough rambling... Comments on the list:

Wheel/Force feedback
- Overheating/fading

Wheel/Adjustability - a separate group as on pedals
- Horizontal steering wheel angle
- Rotation angle
- force feedback strength
- Damping
- Dead zone

Wheel/Quality
- Do really Ergonomy belong here? It's also under Functionality where I think it fits better

Wheel/Performance
- Lap times on track
- Lap time consistency

Pedals/Quality
- Do really Ergonomy belong here? It's also under Functionality where I think it fits better

Pedals/Functionality
- Compatibility is already under the General section. I guess you are after that they can be combined with any other wheel but that should be handled in the general section also.

Pedals/Performance
- Lap times on track
- Lap time consistency

/Novis

I posted in the main thread but will post here as well.

For me living in a family home with limited space I want to concentrate on the following

Stability of the pedal box, i.e how much does it move across carpeted surfaces (I like the gripper system of the G25 pedals work)

Clamping system - I use my wheel on a relatively thin desk mount so efficient clamping is essential

Configurability of the software - Button assignment, etc

Strength and smoothness of the force feedback

Paddle Feel - My current GT3RS only has the std paddles not with the rarer CS add on paddles. How positive the shifts are with the paddles across all 3 models

That's a starter for 10

Price/performance is entirely subjective in the end. Reviews are always more or less subjective in the end.

Btw should vibration motors be there as for judging force feedback?
Belongs more as an extra feature since it´s not true force feedback just rumble effects. It would also make for a more straight comparison to the Logitech wheels in this case.

The rating scale looks good. But i dont know if the length of usb or power cable is that important. If a wheel is bad on those points, it is definetly worth mention it.

Cant wait if i will be choosen.

I think that just about covers it all. You may want to add realism to force feedback. Its not just the amount of feedback but how the wheel delivers it delivers it.

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

The list looks pretty good as it is.

I think the wheel deserves probably a higher weighting than the pedals, if it was me I'd make it 45,35,20, or similar. Going to a deeper level runs a slight risk of constraining the final results artificially... surely every user has a different weighting of what is important to them? To me that is an important part of getting more than one opinion on this (as you are doing).

In that General category I would also include:
Open source drivers :D
Modability

But to reiterate, it looks pretty good as is.

Hi Thomas,

I think you pretty much included most important things. For now i can't think of anything to add :)

Greetings,

Roy Visser

can already tell you for the pedal, should be protected son who are below the pedals, because in handling you risk d\'extract wires, especially the sons of contactors of the pedals of brakes. it is sufficient to not much to l\'grubbed up. C\'is what m\'has happened this weekend. I have contacted immediately to this problem. Ms. Feltemeier Sabine m\'has answered, that\'it m\'would send a new cranks on Monday.

www.gtplanet.net
Member of the Mod Squad.
Proud PS2/PS3, Xbox 360, PC owner

You know I'm game. Porsche Turbo S with UE, I've also owned a G25, DFGT, and Microsoft Wheel. 2 purpose built cockpits, CSP's to be ordered soon. Looking forward to releasing my PWC (and paddles) review.

Just tell me where to sign...

The scale looks good overall.

Sean

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Member of the Mod Squad.
Proud PS2/PS3, Xbox 360, PC owner

As far as the options to list for the weighted scale....

I've been through the list a few times, and if anything a few may be redundant, but overall thorough. If the testers all utilize a similar scale, quite a lot of info can be easily attained/deciphered rather quickly, I would say.

Sean

Well i can write the review in Finnish. I have turbo S with UE firmware now and i had previously g25. I have also have all three platforms(pc,ps3 and 360) I can also test with PS2 games if it is needed.

I would rate wheel also for how it suits racing use, realism(how it feels) and drifting. But of course you could keep the scale as it is and add comments about these things.

What games should people own, or do some come with the wheels?

Hey Thomas

I want to Test ;-)

Ich hab das TurboS (die Traumhaften CSP) und das Logitech MomoForce hier.

ps. mein Bruder hat das GT3RS sehr GEILES Wheel durfte schon Probe fahren ;-)

so back to topic ,Testen würde ich auf dem PC (Win7 32bit o.XP 32bit)
und weißt ja steh euch immer GERNE zur Verfügung ;-)

Sooo denn schönen Abend noch

Get Greger Huttu to test! He's a Fanatec user and seems... more than qualified.

http://www.skiddmark.com/interview-greger-huttu-virtually-the-world’s-fastest-racing-driver/

Hi Thomas,
I am from the US and own both the G27 and the Turbo s wheel.
I race Rfactor in a club site called raceconnect for all my road racing and in Iracing for all my oval racing. I have just achieved my B license in Iracing. I also have a PS3 but I do prefer pc racing.
I do race just abut every day and talk about my turbo S wheel allot to the people in both clubs. I also spend a lot of time on teamspeak talking about wheels. I already have some thoughts about both wheels that I use.
Though I must say that the G27 is getting some dust buildup on it.
I will be using the clubsport peddles for the test. I hope you will consider me for your test.
Adam Jamka

''V2 facelift version of the PWGT3RS'' Oh come on give us more!!

Hi Thomas,

I'd love to compare these wheels for you. I'm an adult with a long gaming history. My native language is US English. I already own the PWTS CE, so I'd only need to borrow the G27 and the GT3RS. I previously owned a Logitech G25 and Driving Force Pro, so I have experience with their wheels. I play on a PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. I'd also be willing to shoot video as I have a camera capable of HD 720p footage.

I like the suggested weighting so far for wheel and pedals. I think the main categories are pretty good, but perhaps replace functionality with performance. The last general points are trickier though. I think they may be worth more than 20 points. I think price is a huge factor for a lot of people, as is compatibility. The remaining items, like packaging and manual, may be less of an issue. Maybe price/performance should account for 15 of the remaining 20 points. Thoughts?

let me, let me, let me :P